Adjust Bluray Frame Rate

faisal_ahmed786 wrote on 5/21/2017, 2:28 PM

Hi,

I filmed a wedding using two cameras. One was at 25 FPS and the other 24FPS. When exporting as an MP4 everything looks smooth however when burning a BluRay DVD the film at 24FPS is a little jerky in places where i've stabilised the footage. I have noticed that the files on the bluray disc are at 25FPS. Is there a way I can adjust this to 24 (or 23.976)?

 

I am assuming the frame rate is the issue here but let me know if anything else might be causing it.

 

Faisal

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Scenestealer wrote on 5/26/2017, 10:26 PM

Hi

After you have selected the disc burn, in the burning window which opens, select the encoder settings button, in the AVCHD Export Window, at the top select a preset from the list that drops down, for AVCHD 1920x1080 24p.

You will need to try it but it may work better to convert the 25fps footage to 24fps than the other way round.

Ss

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johnebaker wrote on 5/27/2017, 2:58 AM

Hi

. . . . the film at 24FPS is a little jerky in places . . .

Is one of the video cameras recording Progressive video and the other Interleaved scan ?

Use MediaInfo to analyse a video clip from each camera and post the results from the Tree view here.

To export the data from MediaInfo to a text file select File, Export then copy and paste the contents of the text file here.

Which Blue-Ray option are you selecting for recording AVCHD or BD ?

Is there a reason why one camera is set to 24 fps ?

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faisal_ahmed786 wrote on 5/29/2017, 11:32 AM

Hi JohneBaker. Please see results from Tree view below:

Canon 70D:

 

Canon Legria G25:

Let me know if it's not readable. Not sure how else to copy the data other than images.
 

 

faisal_ahmed786 wrote on 5/29/2017, 12:07 PM

I have exported to Blu-ray as 24FPS using advice from Scenestealer. This fixes the issue, the stabilised scenes are not jerky. However when trying to play back on my PS3 it wouldn't work. Does 24FPS only work on some players?

johnebaker wrote on 5/29/2017, 12:35 PM

Hi

The images are fine thank you.

The project is as I suspected, a mix of Interleaved and Progressive scan video which can cause issues with the Interleaved video being de-interlaced and converted to Progressive scan.

To avoid this problem it is better if the videos from both camera have the same scan type and framerate.

AFAICS the Canon 70D allows you to set both to match the Legria, however not the reverse which means you would be working with Interlaced video and still get the same problem exporting to a progressive format.

For BD disc you can change the scan type to interleaved as shown below

 

. . . . However when trying to play back on my PS3 it wouldn't work. Does 24FPS only work on some players? . . . .

Is there any error message from the PS3 ?

This is a separate issue and could be disc type incompatability or the PS3 is not set correctly - from the manual:

Blu-ray Discs programmed in 1080p 24Hz are supported via the HDMI port only.  To enable this setting go to Settings > [BD/DVD Settings] > [BD 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI)] and change this setting to [Automatic]

HTH

John EB

 

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faisal_ahmed786 wrote on 5/29/2017, 3:37 PM

Ok thanks I will try it.
The PS3 plays the video for 1 second then it freezes while the audio continues. This only happens on the Bluray disc I made with the 24fps setting, the other one works fine.

 

faisal_ahmed786 wrote on 5/29/2017, 3:43 PM

Hi,
Just tried following the screenshot. I see Multiplexer instead of image settings under step 3. Using Pro X6

johnebaker wrote on 5/29/2017, 5:18 PM

Hi

. . . . I see Multiplexer instead of image settings under step 3. Using Pro X6 . . . .

And the MainConcept codec - one extra step is required see image below.

HTH

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faisal_ahmed786 wrote on 5/30/2017, 8:36 AM

Hi,
After step 2 my screen looks like the below

johnebaker wrote on 5/30/2017, 9:28 AM

Hi

The screen you have posted is, AFAICS, for MP4 export not burning a Blu-Ray disc.

Are you exporting the project as an MP4 file and then burning this to a disc for playing in the PS3 ?

If so then this is possibly why the PS3 cannot play the disc - it is expecting a BD format disc.

To create the BD disc select the Burn disc interface indicated in the image below.

HTH

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faisal_ahmed786 wrote on 5/30/2017, 9:44 AM

Hi,

I am burning a Blu-ray disc directly via Magix. In order to get into the screen I did the following:

- Clicked the Disc icon (top right)

- Clicked the burn Icon

- Selected Bluray from the 3 options provided (dvd, Blu-ray and AVCHD)

 

Full screenshot below:

 

faisal_ahmed786 wrote on 5/31/2017, 12:44 PM

Not sure why my options are different. Do I need to change any settings to be able to change to Interleaved? or is there another work around?

johnebaker wrote on 5/31/2017, 3:20 PM

Hi

. . . . Not sure why my options are different. . . . .

You are not the only one - this difference was introduced with VPX5, and is not in VPX 8.

I cannot check VPX 7 due to not having installed it when it was released, also VPX 5 is no longer installed .

Try changing the Disc format option to MPEG-2 to see if this allows the Interlace setting to be changed.

. . . . I have exported to Blu-ray as 24FPS using advice from Scenestealer. This fixes the issue, the stabilised scenes are not jerky. However when trying to play back on my PS3 it wouldn't work . . . .

I presume you mean AVCHD and not BD - in which case, AFAICS, the PS3 does not support AVCHD as created by VPX.

To create a disc that will play - there are many methods listed on the Internet - search for How to play avchd on PS3.

Several of these involve significant changes to the AVCHD disc files, after creating them with VPX, renaming some of the files and often involve burning using Nero.

HTH

John EB

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faisal_ahmed786 wrote on 5/31/2017, 3:41 PM

HI,

No it was a Bluray disc, screenshot below. When it is 25fps it plays fine but 23.97 fps doesn't playback more than a frame or two before freezing.

MPEG-2 does give me the option so I will try that. Although my main camera was 24fps (70D) so best to match that, this is not available under MPEG-2.