MEP2015 dvd burn problem

Securityman wrote on 12/7/2014, 4:36 PM

I upgraded to MEP 2015 and tried to burn my first disk a few days ago. The movie was produced in standard NTSC format (like always) but when I played it in my PS3 for testing it says that it can not play PAL format disks. I reburnt the disk using MEP17 without changing anything in the format and it burned fine. 

 

Does MEP2015 have an issue with file format burning?

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emmrecs wrote on 12/8/2014, 9:32 AM

I don't have MEP 2015 but are you sure that, on the Export/Burn screen, you had checked that NTSC and not PAL was selected?

Jeff

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Securityman wrote on 12/8/2014, 9:44 AM

Jeff, I don't think the choice of Pal or NTSC is made at the burn stage. When you set up the movie during the beginning of the project, that is when you choose the format you will be working in. 

emmrecs wrote on 12/9/2014, 8:33 AM

Jeff, I don't think the choice of Pal or NTSC is made at the burn stage. When you set up the movie during the beginning of the project, that is when you choose the format you will be working in. 

Agreed, but it can be made in the burn screen, DVD Burning>Encoder settings>Preset.  (I've just checked this in VPX5, I assume MEP 20115 will be the same.)

See my very crudely outlined screenpic attached:

Click on the arrow next to the highlighted box to see all the available options.

Jeff

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terrypin wrote on 12/11/2014, 9:25 AM

I'm glad this topic cropped up because I'm about to burn my first NTSC DVD in MEP 2014 to send to a USA friend. I've always burned Standard DVD PAL and for NTSC I'm not confident about choosing from this list:

Or for better quality: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4019461/MEP-BurnSettings.jpg

Nor am I clear how my choice here is related to my project settings (HDTVi 1080, i.e. 1920x 1080 25 fps, 16:9)

Also, I've only just noticed (a hundred or so DVDs down the line!) that there appears to be no indication of which option is selected. For that reason I'm not even sure if I've been using Standard DVD PAL or Standard DVD PAL widescreen. Presumably the latter, as it's a 16:9 project. Having chosen a bitrate and quality, the Preset says simply User Defined, which isn't very helpful!

Advice would be appreciated please, before I burn this Christmas present. The fps difference  (25 v 29.97) and that AC3 option trouble me a bit.

To add to my confusion, as a test I 'burned' a few seconds of my 3 GB project (a single MP4) in Standard DVD and Standard NTSC and played the respective VOB folders on my PC in VLC. I could see no difference in either the menu or content.

Edit

Unfortunately my DVD player is not multi-region (well, apparently it is according to the Philips DVP 3005 specs, but the vendor, Amazon UK, somehow restricted it.) So I can't think how to reliably test trial NTSC DVDs before burning and posting the full disc to Ohio.

One possibility might be to upload a very small NTSC DVD folder so that some kind USA or Canadian user could then burn it (to an RW disc) and see if it plays OK via their player and TV!

Should have thought about this issue a lot earlier, as ideally I need to post the packet now!

P.S. Any UK user recommend a multi-region player that will definitely play NTSC discs? Is that a 100% reliable way of ensuring my disc will then play on a USA player/TV combo? Or is the TV itself another complication in my test?

 

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Securityman wrote on 12/11/2014, 9:56 AM

I stand corrected Jeff. I have always relied on the default settings that should relate to the "Movie" settings but this is not always the case. Magix has way too many choices and they all seem to conflict with the settings I have for my movie.  Guess I am going to burn a lot of disks to find out.

johnebaker wrote on 12/11/2014, 1:00 PM

Hi Terry

. . . . Unfortunately my DVD player is not multi-region (well, apparently it is according to the Philips DVP 3005 specs, but the vendor, Amazon UK, somehow restricted it . . .

Philips restricted it for the UK/European market.

However you can unlock it to set the region setting to 0 - hopefully it not under warranty and of course at your own risk.

John

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terrypin wrote on 12/11/2014, 2:06 PM

 

However you can unlock it to set the region setting to 0 - hopefully it not under warranty and of course at your own risk.

John

Hi John,

Great tip John, thanks a bunch! Duly unlocked, and still plays my commercial PAL DVDs (I was a tad nervous!) and now plays the small test Standard NTSC DVD I burned on RW. 

So do you reckon it's virtually certain my USA friend will be able to play such a DVD, assuming he has 'normal' player/TV? I've started the burn now and if outlook is OK will get it to the Post Ofice in the morning.

 

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terrypin wrote on 12/11/2014, 2:11 PM

Hi John CB,

Thanks for reminding me about that Advanced button.

Here are my subsequent observations about determining the DVD's aspect ratio, the issue I raised earlier:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4019461/MEP-BurnSettings-Adv.jpg

 

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johnebaker wrote on 12/11/2014, 3:37 PM

Hi Terry

. . . . . So do you reckon it's virtually certain my USA friend will be able to play such a DVD, assuming he has 'normal' player/TV? . . . .

If you can play the NTSC then your US recipient should also be able to play it - once the data is read from the disc, and this is where the TV standard information comes from, it is converted to the correct signal by the player for the TV. 

MEP writes region free discs.

John

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terrypin wrote on 12/11/2014, 4:08 PM

Hi Terry

. . . . . So do you reckon it's virtually certain my USA friend will be able to play such a DVD, assuming he has 'normal' player/TV? . . . .

If you can play the NTSC then your US recipient should also be able to play it - once the data is read from the disc, and this is where the TV standard information comes from, it is converted to the correct signal by the player for the TV. 

MEP writes region free discs.

John

Thanks John.

Edit: It's in the post!

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emmrecs wrote on 12/12/2014, 4:36 AM

I'm glad this topic cropped up because I'm about to burn my first NTSC DVD in MEP 2014 to send to a USA friend. I've always burned Standard DVD PAL and for NTSC I'm not confident about choosing from this list:

Or for better quality: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4019461/MEP-BurnSettings.jpg

Nor am I clear how my choice here is related to my project settings (HDTVi 1080, i.e. 1920x 1080 25 fps, 16:9)

Also, I've only just noticed (a hundred or so DVDs down the line!) that there appears to be no indication of which option is selected. For that reason I'm not even sure if I've been using Standard DVD PAL or Standard DVD PAL widescreen. Presumably the latter, as it's a 16:9 project. Having chosen a bitrate and quality, the Preset says simply User Defined, which isn't very helpful!

Advice would be appreciated please, before I burn this Christmas present. The fps difference  (25 v 29.97) and that AC3 option trouble me a bit.

 

Terry, I agree, "User Defined" is not at all helpful!

As you also imply, I think the setting becomes that as soon as the user makes any change to either the bit rate or the quality setting.  Clearly, MEP/VPX assumes a particular set combination of those two.  However, you can, of course, save your choice of settings and create a new preset, as I'm sure you know!  

Glad to hear you've completed and posted your project disc.

Jeff

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Securityman wrote on 12/12/2014, 10:17 AM

I started from scratch by loading in a project that I had burnt in MEP17 with no problem. I selected NTSC Standard DVD setting and wouldn't you know it it burns a PAL format disc. This is just great! I have a new program that requires me to use my old program if I want to burn a DVD! 

 

Time for Magix to pay attention to their errors and fix these stupid problems before people start looking elsewhere for their editting programs!

terrypin wrote on 12/12/2014, 10:55 AM

I selected NTSC Standard DVD setting and wouldn't you know it it burns a PAL format disc. 

 

Did you check the additional settings I described in my earlier screenshots?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4019461/MEP-BurnSettings-Adv.jpg

Possibly your project setting was PAL? If so, and the Auto option was set, that would result in your DVD being PAL too.

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Securityman wrote on 12/13/2014, 12:50 AM

If the project I burnt in MEP17 was not PAL format how could burning the same project in 2015 turn into PAL?

terrypin wrote on 12/14/2014, 9:31 AM

 

If the project I burnt in MEP17 was not PAL format how could burning the same project in 2015 turn into PAL?

For the reason I gave!

It's very unlikely to be the cause but it only takes seconds to rule it out.

 

 

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