I have an up to date copy of Video Pro X. But I keep seeing advertising for the Vegas Suite. To my mind and in my experience Video Pro X seems fairly complete. Is there anything to gain or an advantage in using the Vegas Suite? I have never used it and don't know how to compare them.
Hi Doug and welcome to the user to user forums.
I would say apples and oranges. Vegas Suite (Not to be confused with Vegas Studio) is more in line with making a feature film but at a premier cost. Lots of post production tools but I would think choosing the monthly subscription would be better than trying to buy it outright as things progress rapidly with such things and not for the casual user unless they have more time than usual on their hands or need it for production work.
Ray.
Thank you for you response. I make movie with Video Pro X and it seems to do a great job. Perhaps I don't know enough but I can get it to do everything I want, especially with the latest version. All the color correction, grading, etc. I use soundforge audio cleaning lab and the izotope that comes with it for the audio. So to my eyes they look almost the same just another way. Kindly educate me if I am incorrect.
Thank you
Hi
The biggest difference is the work flow, as you are familiar with Video Pro X (VPX) you will find Vegas Pro has a steep learning curve and IMO some quirky ways of working.
It is, IMO, not intuitive like VPX - I would not go back the Vegas Pro/Suite unless I was producing video for commercial broadcast
You can download the trial version to test with before laying out money for the program.
John EB
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It is a different workflow for sure that would take some adjustment to get used to but as VPX has more control over its effects than MEP does, Vegas Suite takes it up another couple of notches but Vegas Studio does not. Vegas Suite is able to do custom animated graphics that VPX can't do or turn footage into drawings or paintings. There are just more options. You should really look at all the tutorials on their site and YouTube if you are interested or try a trial version although some functionality may be removed in the trial version.
Ray.
Hi,
One of the biggest advantages of VPX over Vegas is that VPX has multiple timelines called Movies, and one or more Movies can be nested on another timeline.
Titling in Vegas seems to have some problems, with a legacy titler still available but hidden away that does some things that the newer titler does not, according to what I read in the forum. As well, for anything sophisticated, I and others suggest to Vegas users to use BluffTitler, and not just for titling.
Vegas appears to better at compositing than VPX, but it seems convoluted especially for things that we do quite simply in VPX using View/Animation - Size/Position and keyframes. My head spins when they talk about tracks for this, tracks for that, composite tracks, train tracks, parents, children. Ouch! A track is a track.
And, I really do not like having to insert tracks above the background to put in an overlay, like a title or PiP. In VPX, track 1 is the lowest number and is the background, track 2 sits on top of it, and so on. In Vegas, track 1 is the background, no wait, I have to insert above so it moves to track 2, another overlay, insert another track above and the background goes to track 3 or 4 or 5...
For overlay static and animated graphics, there is not much out there that can beat the integration of Xara DPX or Xara P&GD with VPX (when it works properly).
And so on.
John CB
Multiple timelines, integrated 3D titler, tons of presets and improved keyframe control are what VPX over Vegas Pro.
But Vegas has more flexible timeline operation, higher efficiency, better track system, composite features and more officially supporting OFX plugins. The best way is to try it 30 days, to see if it suits you.
Besides, VEGAS POST Suite is indeed powerful but is also expensive.
@Nalmcruto just reminded of another Vegas problem. I don't recall having any third party plugins quit working when moving to a new version of VPX. Not so with Vegas. Upgrade to a new version of Vegas and most of your previously obtained plugins no longer work.
Perhaps you can explain what you mean by more flexible timeline operation, higher efficiency and better track system.
John CB
more flexible timeline operation, higher efficiency
@browj2 Vegas may be the only NLE where you can locate the cursor 【directly and accurately】 to the edge of the clip, the any part of the clip, by clicking everywhere in the timeline. It is accurate especially the timeline is very complex.
And Vegas' mouse roller is used 【directly】 for scaling timeline. It is handy to rapid conversion from global to partial timeline. This is efficient in large complex projects.
better track system
Vegas' 3D track motion and parent-child track motion allow making 3D motion & 2D motion among multiple clips with relative motion, even a 3D camera like After Effects.
Of course, Of course it's just a personal feeling of the pros and cons of different softwares. It's not necessarily infallible.
Hi,
Vegas may be the only NLE where you can locate the cursor directly and accurately to the edge of the clip, the center point of the clip, by clicking everywhere in the timeline. It is accurate especially the timeline is very complex.
In VPX, you can go to the beginning of a clip on any track by using Alt+W and Alt+Q. Ctrl+Q/W will move to the beginning of a clip and select it. There are other movement shortcuts that can be used, including jumping to snap markers, project markers and beginning and ending of a range.
VPX does not have a way to go to the centre point of a clip. Why would one need this?
And Vegas' mouse roller is used directly for scaling timeline. It is handy to rapid conversion from global to partial timeline. This is efficient in large complex projects.
In VPX, I do this all the time using Ctrl+mouse wheel Upwards/Downwards. There are other shortcuts to change the horizontal zoom. You can also zoom to a range (Alt+F).
3D is beyond my competence level, so I can't comment.
John CB
Thank you all for your comments. From what I am reading and from my knowing what projects I do it seems that while Vegas is great, so is VPX, and as I am so familiar with VPX I think I will stay with it. And Browj2 has reminded me I really need to learn the keyboard commands and shortcuts more.
On a side note I use the 4.0 version of Spectralayers Pro. I recently learned several cool things it does that I had wanted it to but never could until I read the manual.
Hmmmm. Read the instructions. What a novel concept.
Similar... This helped me re-commit to VPX, ignore the Vegas Post 1/2 price sale option, and create an Evernote file with all the shortcuts I use (or should learn and start using).
Thank you, John CB.
Craig
Hi guys,
VPX comes with a pdf file:
C:\Program Files\MAGIX\Video Pro X\12
Shortcuts_EN.pdf
Print it out and highlight the ones you need most.
I use a ShuttlePro V2, just have remember which buttons to press.
John CB